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Anarcho-collectivism

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Anarcho-collectivism

Postby Cork on Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:39 pm

Aside from wikipedia, which doesn't give much more than the bare basics, is there anywhere one can find a detailed explanation of anarcho-collectivism? Googling it doesn't bring up much information.

It sounds like the bastard anarchist son of Schweickartian market socialism. More Proudhonian than Proudhon (or something), I hear.
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Re: Anarcho-collectivism

Postby RoyceChristian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:43 pm

Wasn't Anarcho-Collectivism the creation of Bakunin that operated in contrast to Libertarian/Anarcho Communism, which has now become the more popular school of thought?
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Re: Anarcho-collectivism

Postby Brainpolice on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:50 pm

RoyceChristian wrote:Wasn't Anarcho-Collectivism the creation of Bakunin that operated in contrast to Libertarian/Anarcho Communism, which has now become the more popular school of thought?


In my understanding, yes. It is the child of Bakunin, and can be constrasted from both anarcho-communism and mutualism. I think of it as sort of being in between.
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Re: Anarcho-collectivism

Postby Zanthorus on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:21 am

Anarcho-collectivism was what Bakunin devised in order to contrast his views with the communists of his time who were mostly followers of Marx. The basics are that the means of production are collectivised but people still get payed money to trade on markets. Sort of like mutualism only less individualistic.

A lot of collectivists see collectivism as a transition stage between capitalism and communism although there are collectivists who see collectivism as an end in itself.
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Re: Anarcho-collectivism

Postby Zanthorus on Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:31 am

Some links that might be helpful:

The Collectivist Tradition

James Guillaume - Ideas on Social Organisation

Those are the only really useful things I can find. I've been reading through a lot of Bakunin but so far I haven't found anything resembling an economic plan which is confusing, you'd think he'd have put some thought into it.
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Re: Anarcho-collectivism

Postby Marja on Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:06 pm

Malatesta's sympathies lay with communism, but he discusses collectivism in A talk about anarchist communism between two workers.

William. Then you are a Socialist, that’s sure. But what do the words COMMUNIST and COLLECTIVIST mean?

Jack. Both Communists and Collectivists are Socialists, but they have different ideas as to what ought to be done when property shall be put in common. The Collectivists say: Each worker, or rather each association of workers, has a right to raw material and the instruments of labour and each man is master of the produce of his own toil. Whilst he lives he does what he likes with it; when he does anything he has put on one side returns to the association. His children, in their turn, have the means of working and of enjoying the fruit of their labour; to let them inherit anything would be a fist step towards inequality and privilege. As regards instruction, the education of children, the maintenance of the aged and infirm, and public works in general, each association of workers must give what is needed to supply the unsupplied wants of the members of the community. The Communists say: Men must love each other and look on each other as members of one family, if things are to go well with them. Property ought to be common. Work, if it is to be as productive as possible and the aid of machinery employed to the uttermost, must be done by large parties of workers. If we are to make the most of all varieties of soil and atmospheric condition and produce in each locality what that locality can produce best, and it, on the other hand, we are to avoid competition and hared between divers countries, it is needful to establish perfect solidarity between the men of the whole world. Therefore, instead of running the risk of making a confusion in trying to distinguish what you and I each do, let us all work and put everything in common. In this way each will give to society all that his strength permits until enough is produced for every one; and each will take all that he needs, limiting his needs only in those things of which there is not yet plenty for every one.
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